Why don't the kremas appear on the list?
This is the list of all delousing structures in Auschwitz and Birkenau availabe on July 30, 1943. It also lists future hygienic structures, though not all of them.
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1. So, where are all the delousing chambers supposedly in crematoria in this list?
2. According to Mattogno, Krema IV ovens functioned until May 10, 1943.
www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndcrema.html
According to deniers, Krema IV gas chambers were delousing gas chambers. We know that they were called literally "gas chambers" in the documents. We know that gas-tight windows were ordered for them.
So they were gas chambers.
The question is, homicidal or delousing?
Assuming non-homicidal use, given the breakdown of Krema IV ovens, and also given the fact that the Nazis at about the same time even planned to use the morgues of active Kremas II and III for purely hygienic purposes, by installing real showers there, there is no doubt that the Nazis would use Krema IV morgues as normal delousing chambers, especially since they were sufficiently equipped to be such. (In fact, to escape from the criminal traces, such as gas-tight windows in plans, deniers have to argue that the morgues in Kremas IV and V were even planned as delousing chambers).
But then Krema IV delousing chambers would appear in the list.
Oops!!!
To believe that the morgues in Birkenau were bomb shelters, gas shelters, etc, one has to be fitted with the appropiate lenses:
Thanks to Sergey for posting this argument on RODOH.
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1. So, where are all the delousing chambers supposedly in crematoria in this list?
2. According to Mattogno, Krema IV ovens functioned until May 10, 1943.
www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndcrema.html
According to deniers, Krema IV gas chambers were delousing gas chambers. We know that they were called literally "gas chambers" in the documents. We know that gas-tight windows were ordered for them.
So they were gas chambers.
The question is, homicidal or delousing?
Assuming non-homicidal use, given the breakdown of Krema IV ovens, and also given the fact that the Nazis at about the same time even planned to use the morgues of active Kremas II and III for purely hygienic purposes, by installing real showers there, there is no doubt that the Nazis would use Krema IV morgues as normal delousing chambers, especially since they were sufficiently equipped to be such. (In fact, to escape from the criminal traces, such as gas-tight windows in plans, deniers have to argue that the morgues in Kremas IV and V were even planned as delousing chambers).
But then Krema IV delousing chambers would appear in the list.
Oops!!!
To believe that the morgues in Birkenau were bomb shelters, gas shelters, etc, one has to be fitted with the appropiate lenses:
Thanks to Sergey for posting this argument on RODOH.
posted by 104839sobe104839 at 6:04 PM
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Kremas' wont appear on any genuine list from the Auschwitz archive because the two so called "Leichenkellers" werent built until after the war.
Hence they weren't delousing chambers or anything apart from patches of earth.
Wow, I guess rodohcodohwatch knows better than Mattogno, Crowell, Berg, Graf, etc, because they all say that there were bomb shelters, delousing basements, air raid shelters, etc.
Wayyyyyy to go.
"Wow, I guess rodohcodohwatch knows better than Mattogno, Crowell, Berg, Graf"
Correct.
It can be easily demonstrated. I would be happy to accompany you around Birkenau to show you.
When are you available?
"It can be easily demonstrated. I would be happy to accompany you around Birkenau to show you.
When are you available?"
Thanks for the ivitation, but I don't exactly have the time and the money just right now to go to Birkenau so some denier can "prove" that the leichenkellers were built after the war.
How about showing it to me using a picture?
Sobe, all I can do is show the lack of pictures.
The Soviets presented a film of the liberation of Auschwitz before the Nuremburg tribunal.
There was no footage of Krema II and III included. But they did include stills of the building plans of Krema II in it. The same plans that Pressac and Pelt have used in their voluminous works.
Why were the Soviets so quickly able to identify architectual blueprints but weren't able to locate the actual Kremas to film in Birkenau?
The answer - the Leichenkellers hadn't been built yet.
Why do you think the Soviets didn't include footage of Krema II and III ruins in their propaganda film?
(Off Topic)
The Italian Justice Minister Clemente Mastella announces: "We will soon bring in the Council of Ministers a project of law that sets negation of the Holocaust as crime." The debate should open in connection with the "Remembrance Day".
But I'm not in favour of the laws against holocaust denial.
"Persecution, and even anything redolent of persecution, produces martyrs, and we have not the slightest interest in making these people into martyrs. I am in no way opposed to proceedings for defamation in the case of lies aimed at individuals or institutions, but I am resolutely opposed to the idea of imposing a historical truth through the legal system. When the French parliament voted for such a law in 1990, every single historian was opposed to it. If there is a lesson we should learn from the history of communism and the State or Party Truth, it is that no historical truth can depend on the state apparatus -however liberal this state- in order to be considered the Truth. But if the truth has no need of police or courts, it certainly does not need historians. Here and there - in England, America, Germany, France, Italy and, of course, in Israel, there are teams of historians who have carried out outstanding work" (Pierre Vidal-Naquet: Who are the Assassins of Memory? 1992)
Rodohcodohwatchwatch:
"Sobe, all I can do is show the lack of pictures.
The Soviets presented a film of the liberation of Auschwitz before the Nuremburg tribunal.
There was no footage of Krema II and III included. But they did include stills of the building plans of Krema II in it. The same plans that Pressac and Pelt have used in their voluminous works.
Why were the Soviets so quickly able to identify architectual blueprints but weren't able to locate the actual Kremas to film in Birkenau?
The answer - the Leichenkellers hadn't been built yet.
Why do you think the Soviets didn't include footage of Krema II and III ruins in their propaganda film?"
What?!! Your proof that the leichenkellers where built after the war is that the remains of the kremas where not shown in a Soviet film of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau? Uuuummmmmm oooooookkkk.
"The Italian Justice Minister Clemente Mastella announces: "We will soon bring in the Council of Ministers a project of law that sets negation of the Holocaust as crime." The debate should open in connection with the "Remembrance Day".
I guess that means Mattogno is in trouble.
Fransesco Rotondi:
"But I'm not in favour of the laws against holocaust denial."
Me neither.
No thats not my proof.
My proof is the state of the ruins themselves. Unfortunately you wont view the proof.
but don't you, as a believer, find it strange that the Soviets would show PLANS of Krema II and Krema III but no footage whatsoever of Krema 2 and 3 in their propaganda video.
An the omission is very deliberate. They also include aerial shots from a low flying aircraft - and the film always stops just short of showing Krema II and Krema III, even under a frame by frame analysis.
Why might that be?
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